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"Phylogenetic relationships" Outdated Taxonomy

The "Phylogenetic relationships" section of this article, while looking very well made, has some outdated taxonomy in it regarding Acanthodii and Placodermi groups. The biggest problem are the Acanthodians, which here are shown as being a spread across chondrichthyes and osteichthyes while more recent taxonomy has them all as stem-chondrichthyans. The Placoderms look alright, but they should mention "maxillate" placoderms like Entelognathus. I believe they should take the place of Diplacanthus on the diagram.

I would do it myself, but I'm unfamiliar with editing clade diagrams. Jvirus2 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tetrapoda are listed as a sub-class of Sarcopterygii in the main article body

Looks like there may be a problem with the layout of the list of classes in the main article body. For example, Tetrapoda appear to be listed as a sub-class of Sarcopterygii. 104.142.119.254 (talk) 10:25, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Ossea" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ossea has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 4 § Ossea until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 14:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Anatomy of vertebrates" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Anatomy of vertebrates has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 4 § Anatomy of vertebrates until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 14:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"New" materials and citations in lead

The lead currently has 12 citations, of which 9 are found only up there. The cited materials are similarly largely not in the article body.

This is in violation of the basic rule that the lead is only a summary of the article body. It must therefore not introduce anything "new".

It is also pretty doubtful if space in lead should go to odd exceptions like lampreys/hagfish. As a simple introduction for new or passing readers who want the briefest and clearest of overviews (what is a vertebrate?), the lead needs to provide a simple "broad brush" overview, even at the expense of overlooking fascinatingly technical distinctions like the possibly-odd status of the hagfish vis-a-vis the lampreys and other fishes.

In short, the lead needs a rewrite, and We need to move the citations and "new" materials out of the lead. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre essay on reproductive systems to end the article

For some unstated reason, the article ends (barring a short paragraph on population trends, oddly separated from the chapter on number of species) with a lengthy essay on reproductive systems. This is made up mainly of random sallies about individual species - the mangrove killifish and mole salamander, the Colombian Rainbow boa (odd caps), the great tit .. it's all over the shop. It's not at all obvious why this topic would be specially relevant to vertebrates, as the topic concerns plants as well as animals for a start. Let's just get rid of it, it's a WP:COATRACK, leaving aside the random studentification of its construction ("Jenkins, why don't you put a paragraph somewhere on Wikipedia about mangrove killifish, if it doesn't get deleted you get an A."). Right, I'm chopping it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]